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Socialism is not authoritarian
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- Socialism rejects the concept of individual property and puts the wealth distribution in the hands of the society.
- Socialism does not respect the principle of consent and interferes whenever two individuals want to sign a financial contract.
- Socialism heavily regulates the economy, preventing people from freely participating on the free market. In fact, it destroys the free market as such.
- Every time socialism has been tried in practice, it led to heavy repressions, totalitarianism and worship of the Great Leader.
Hmm... Is socialism authoritarian? This is truly a difficult question. Authoritarian or liberal? Dilemma.
Socialism is authoritarian (in its softest form), and communism is totalitarian. Communism is simply socialism taken to its logical end.
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authoritarian
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Socialism does not reject the idea of private property, that's communism. Cuba was communist, not socialist. Almost everything you said applies to communism, but not to socialism. In principle communism is the continuation of socialism, but they are still different in many aspects.
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Try as you might, you can't prove to me there's a substantial difference between communism and socialism. If you look up the word "collectivism", you will find socialism and communism in that same category. If you look up "individualism" you will find neither socialism or communism in that category! Both of them were made into political science by the same person!
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I have also been using welfare socialism which you may define as capitalism however i define it as socialist
welfare state. An economic system that combines features of capitalism and socialism by retaining private ownership while the government enacts broad programs of social welfare, such as pensions and public housing.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/welfare-state
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You’re using a form of the argument because you can’t disprove it it must be true my point isn’t that socialism can’t be authoritarian my point is that socialism when in moderation can be effective
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Not a single more or less reputable economical theory supports the notion that "socialism when in moderation can be effective". Not does any real data we possess from across multiple millennia. Keynesian model, one most economists consider borderline pseudo-science, is the one socialism advocates tend to refer to when they try to sound educated in the field - but even that model contradicts socialism on many levels.
Not to mention that "socialism in moderation" is as much of an oxymoron as "fascism in moderation", or "Sharia law in moderation". Socialism itself sits very far away from any reasonable degree of moderation in economics.
You can take a socialist model, remove all socialist elements from it and gain a functional system, indeed. Only that system would not be socialism any more.
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Any German/Nordic professor in economics would say that you failed your course and have to take it again, were you to make a claim that any of those countries is socialistic.
Just because you personally choose to call those countries' economical systems "socialism", does not make it so.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.” - Lars Løkke Rasmussen, prime minister of Denmark.
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It can manifest in authoritarian forms - Stalinism being an obvious example. What people don't tend to take into account is that this is just like Capitalism it can also manifest in authoritarianist forms. Moreover the societies which historically tended to break from their prexisting socioeconomic status to socialism were those that were already third world shitholes with no history of democracy, human rights, etc e.g. Russia was an authoritarian shithole before, during and after the USSR. Horrendous poverty, poor economy, oppression etc may be spurs for people to fight for equality, but they're also a poor basis for building a country and the socialism working poorly in situation where every economic policy works poorly does not mean socialism works poorly in a modern democratically entrenched country,.
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"Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump
"A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
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I brought that quote to support my point with reasoning, not as a foundation of the point. Socialism is socialism: no matter who calls it what, there is a proper definition, and none of the Western democracies satisfy that definition.
You constantly point at capitalist countries to support the claim that socialism works, while actual instances of socialist governments you dismiss. Your position is about as illogical as it can get.
The minimal amount of education in economics would decrease the number of socialists by 99% or so, I feel. Simple explanation of the supply/demand balance and the effects of the imposed governmental restrictions on it would already demolish the whole Sanders' voter base, for example. Alas, economics is not taught at school nearly as well as, say, physics/math, so many people know the mathematical 2+2=4, but are not aware of the economical 2+2=4.
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"Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump
"A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
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Flying a kite will result in your death within 130 years of flying a kite. Want to prove me wrong? Show me someone who flew a kite more than 130 years ago and is still alive.
The above logic is not correct because it makes the assumption there can be no mutual connection between the two factors besides a direct causal link. Same applies with socialism. Did the countries have poor political freedoms because they were socialist or were both socialism and a lack of political freedom caused by a common factor e.g.: being backwards developing nations with no history of democracy, political freedoms and full of oppression? A common factor which wouldn't apply in a mnodern democracy choosing to implement democracy.
Also political freedoms are limited in literally every country on earth do that's not a relevant benchmark and you can point to easy examples of socialist countries being better than the capitalist equivalents in terms of political rights, e.g. the democratically elected Allende being better than Pinochet who seized power in a CIA backed coup and then took to torturing his own populace and having people gunned down en masse in sports stadiums.
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the video ranks germany as socialist as well as denmark
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